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Post by planetSlowCar1 on Dec 27, 2004 10:46:38 GMT -5
p.s. imo twin turbo>single turbo Care to elaborate? Don't say "more is better".
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Post by ACC0RD22 on Dec 27, 2004 23:35:56 GMT -5
well i think theyre definitley better on a V type engine, one turbo on each side, but im not sure if they are on a straight 6, or I4 if were going that low, i like the idea of a small turbo that spools early and a larger turbo that spools late but provides a huge amount of power. other than that ur better off just going with a single turbo . . . more air will spool it faster anyways
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Post by TFM240 on Dec 28, 2004 8:08:54 GMT -5
I remember me and a friend thought a t60 would be hard to blow. We were wrong. So just make sure you have a the proper turbo for power. You dont wanna bend shafts on that fucker. 200 and up to spin balance and repair. 80,000 rpm spin balance.
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Post by 97z28swap on Jan 13, 2005 13:43:11 GMT -5
what about a t70 lol ;D
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Post by mustangpro101 on Jan 21, 2005 12:10:35 GMT -5
^ Maybe next the electronics industry will go back to 486 proccesors and computers size of cars with the power of a modern calculator. I hate moving backward or living in the past. Its part of the reason I can't understand people holding onto low tech muscle cars when they can be out accelerated, cornered, and braked by a lightly modded Civic for 1/10th the cost. This includes manufactures that hold dear to pushrods and specfic outputs similar to a Model T. It just doesn't make sense. Like I said, you don't see people holding dear to old computers for nostalgia sake or because its what they grew up with. Just IMO, of course. Hi how are you guys doing, just decided to stick up for the domestics, especially the new Mustang (Keep in mind I am no import hater, I respect what's nice and fast.) On another note the board looks pretty nice, I have to hand it to the owners they did a nice job. With that said I would like to argue a few points made in this thread. Number one, the new Mustang is a 4.6 L SOHC motor, hardly a pushrod motor. In fact Ford has been using OHC motors since 96 in their Mustangs. The current mustang is a 4.6 L DOHC that has variable camshaft timing, that encompasses two intake valves and one exhaust valve. The motor makes 300 hp and 320 ft lbs of torque on 87 octane gas right off the show room floor. Stock the cars run some where in the 13's, modified they are already in the low 12's, and this is achieved with only bolt-ons no nitrous or boost. Push rod motors were used up to 1995. Those motors, perhaps "low tech" are easy to work on and make great power with simple mods. I happen to own a push rod motor and have never had a problem with it and have beaten a lot of "high tech" cars with it. Number two, Ford isn't holding onto the past in the essence that they are reproducing old cars. They melted together all the best things from the past 40 years and put those skins on a really well balanced all new age chassis. Also the new mustang and RX8 were developed together, so that should tell you how it will handle on a road course. Number three show me a lightly modded civic that cost 1/10 less to mod than my car that can beat my car
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Post by planetSlowCar1 on Jan 21, 2005 20:52:18 GMT -5
I give ford props for having the balls to put a DOHC in the mustang.
As for #1: I was mostly refering to the (new) Vette with stupid stuff like the titanium rods for decreased rotating mass but they're still running cam in block. If you want it to rev faster then destroke it and open the bore a little to make up for lost displacement. If you want to make more power then get rid of the 2 valve head. Its like taking a go kart motor with an air filter full of sand and a carbon plugged muffler and trying to make power by knife edging the crank. lol Why not go with the obvious stuff and the biggest restriction first? Same goes for the Viper. Rather than dumping the truck engine and putting something high tech in it, they just increased displacement to make more power.
Another thing I get a kick out of is watching shows like horsepower TV or reading hot rod magazines that talk about putting in a new "high tech" carb or something like that to get more power. Or installing light weight brakes to decrease unsprung weight for better handling on that 400lb solid axle leaf spring rear end. I laugh out loud when I hear stuff like that.
I understand that they want to keep it cheap. And that was a legit arguement until they set the C6 vette price at like $75,000. Now its not cheap low tech speed, its expensive low tech speed; which should be a crime.
The best way to put it is a quote from some engineer. "Why increase displacement when you haven't made the most of what you already have." That kinda sums up what I think and my modding philosophy. And explains why I don't like most domestics. Even if a push rod Viper is compareable to a 360 Modena, its just not my thing. That doesn't mean I don't have respect for domestics or anything like that, it just means it wouldn't be my choice of car (ironically I'm driving one).
#2 I think the new Mustang looks nice and far better than the last one. I was refering to old technoloy not old style.
#3 As for lightly modded Civics, that would have be a spanking in a turning race.
As for drag racing: You can find an old lightweight Honda for <$1,000. A JDM motor for around $3,000. And a moderate boost turbo setup for another $3,000. So you're looking at ~$6,000-$7,000 for a low 13 second Civic/CRX that can still keep up with a Miata on a mountain road and brake better than a shifter kart. If you want RWD, there's lots of cheap late '80s 240SX's and an easy SR20 swap. In fact Sport Compact Car has a complete beater that they spent like all of $7,000 on (including the car) that runs high 12's and also does road race/autox events with only a wheel/tire change.
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Post by mustangpro101 on Jan 21, 2005 23:09:30 GMT -5
Chevy is in love with the pushrods, that is a 100% true. I honestly don't really pay much attention to the vette, it doesn't do it for me. I am glad ford has gone with the ohc motors, they have made alot of power with em and they only keep getting better. As for the styling of the new mustang, I love it and I want one:) Just awesome with that body kit. When it comes to building a civic to beat a muscle car, yes maybe it will out handle a old 60's or 70's muscle car but a sn95 stangs handling is quite underrated, and I don't think it could beat it for 1/10th the price. If your buying a civic for 1000 bucks and puting in 3k, you could buy a fox body for the same price and for 3k in to the stang it will run low 12's high 11's depending on the weight of the car etc. On another note, who started this board? How did it come about?
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Post by ACC0RD22 on Jan 21, 2005 23:14:28 GMT -5
^^^ he right in a way but if every car had a vetch type system i think there would be alot more accidents..due to everyone being on there phone. its v-tec you moron p.s. imo twin turbo>single turbo yea its VTEC you moron Variable valve Timing and Electronic lift Control (i dont see a dash in that) ok back to the matter at hand according to car and driver the new C6 vette sells for under 45 grand, so i dunno where you get your info from . . . but car and driver seems like a fairly reliable source to me. anyways, 7 grand is more than most mustang GT's (body style before the last . . .) go for so im not sure that arguement can be made anymore. plus noone wants to keep up with miatas, miatas suck theyre slow they might handle good but they have no acceleration at all. The whole domestic vs import arguement is stupid cuz if you get beat by a civic, you get flamed forever, but if the civic loses its almost like its expected and accepted. thats just not fair cuz were all car people here there should be animosity towards anyone. I personally wouldnt mod a domestic, but im not gonna put someone who wants to down for choosing to. ok, back to defending domestics. chevy actually went semi high-tech on the new corvette. they shortened and slimmed the chassis and developed uch of the body in a wind tunnel to reduce drag. the new C6 vette weighs 3224 pounds, thats somewhere in teh area of 1 hp for ever 8.06 pounds, thats a pretty hard target for any honda to attain especially since the highest hp engine swappable into a CRX for 3 grand is the B18C1 (and 3 grand is genorously low). a turbo kit for that can be attained for far less than 3 grand, since you can just peice it together like most smart people do. i would say 6 or 7 k is a good estimate for a swapped civic but it wouldnt put out much more than 250 hp cuz B-series motors arent very reliable above 8 psi on stock internals. thats another cost, and on and on it goes.
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Post by planetSlowCar1 on Jan 23, 2005 18:07:41 GMT -5
The yellow stang is sweet. That kit should be stock body work.
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Post by mustangpro101 on Jan 23, 2005 22:29:04 GMT -5
That would take a damper off the aftermarket then Because that car looks sick. But i'd say that the stock GT is pretty good lookin from the factory. Most cars these days are missing a little something, lip kit, full body kit, almost always wheels etc etc.. Thats what makes cars fun, the persuit to get away from stock and make something really nice. ;D
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